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Interesting Facts About
Vietnam Vets
December 13, 2005 Nick Bacon USA 1SGT (RET.) Medal of Honor Recipient After my retirement in 1984 from
the U.S. Army, I worked for the VA Regional Office in Phoenix, AZ as a
contact representative and as an adjudicator of claims. After a short
period with VARO, I resigned and helped John McCain in his race for the
U.S. Senate. Of course, John won and I went on to become a City
Manager in Surprise, AZ for 3 years.
When I moved to Arkansas in 1990, I returned to assisting veterans with their claims. In 1993 I was appointed to the position of State Director of Veterans Affairs where I spent the next 12 years helping veterans and their families. I was always surprised at the number of people claiming to have been Military Veterans, especially Vietnam Veterans. After opening the Arkansas State Veteran Cemetery several years ago, I was shocked to see so many of my VN brothers being buried. Then I received the following fact sheet from my good friend Major General (Ret.) David R. Bockel, Director of Army Affairs, Reserve Officers Association. After
the shock wears off, please send this information to all your address
banks and local media. After so many years of misleading reports and
unpleasant media comments; lets disseminate to this country the real
truth, as painful as it may be.
My
son, my younger brother, my nephews are still serving in harms way in
the war on terrorism. Let's not let them be treated like we were so
many
years ago - Fight Now, Fight Strong and Fight as long as we
have to.God Bless America & God Bless Our Veterans Nick Bacon |
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| Viewers of this web site and
myself can not say for sure these facts are correct. I am thinking how
so many items put together like this can be erroneous and lack
information to fully describe the thoughts within. But these words are
good for thought and study. One very good comment: Vern I wonder how accurate the statistics are. Many Navy men served in Southeast Asia, some in-country and some off shore. Do these statistics reflect the sailors and airmen who operated in support of operations ashore? If you received a Vietnam Service or Campaign medal (or both) is this the measure? Many who served in the Navy received these but never set foot ashore. Are they not Vietnam veterans? They are. Many Navy men engaged in combat operations and won the combat action medal but never set foot ashore. Are they counted in the total? They should be. Maybe the statistics account for these but often statistics do not reveal the whole truth. It would be interesting to know. The
men listed on the web site where this fact information resides,
ARE VIETNAM VETERANS BUT HAVE NOT SET FOOT ON VIETNAM SOIL. They worked and had injuries while in the Vietnam area. They still have night mares. It was scary work. |
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Subject: Vietnam Facts vs
Fiction
For over 30 years I, like many
Vietnam veterans....seldom spoke of Vietnam, except with other
veterans, when training soldiers, and in public speeches. These past
five years I have joined the hundreds of thousands who believe it is
high time the truth be told about the Vietnam War and the people who
served there. It's time the American people learn that the United
States military did not lose the War, and that a surprisingly high
number of people who claim to have served there, in fact, DID NOT.
As Americans, support the men and
women involved in the War on Terrorism, the mainstream media are once
again working tirelessly to undermine their efforts and force a
psychological loss or stalemate for the United States. We cannot stand
by and let the media do to today's
warriors
what they did to us 35 years a go.Below are some assembled some facts
most readers will find interesting. It isn't a long read, but it
will....I guarantee....teach you some things you did not know about the
Vietnam War and those who served, fought, or died there. Please share
it with those with whom you communicate.
Vietnam War
Facts:
Facts, Statistics, Fake Warrior Numbers, and Myths Dispelled Interesting Census Stats and "Been There" Wanabees: 1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August, 1995 (census figures).
WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnam vets are not. Common Myths Dispelled:
Myth:
Common Belief is that most Vietnam veterans were drafted. Fact: 2/3 of the men who served in
Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were
drafted. Approximately 70% of those killed in Vietnam were volunteers.
Myth: The media have reported that suicides among Vietnam veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam veteran population. Fact: Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a better estimate. "The CDC Vietnam Experience Study Mortality Assessment showed that during the first 5 years after discharge, deaths from suicide were 1.7 times more likely among Vietnam veterans than non-Vietnam veterans. After that initial post-service period, Vietnam veterans were no more likely to die from suicide than non-Vietnam veterans. In fact, after the 5-year post-service period, the rate of suicides is less in the Vietnam veterans' group. Myth: Common belief is that a disproportionate number of blacks were killed in the Vietnam War. Fact: 86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races. Sociologists Charles C. Moskos and John Sibley Butler, in their recently published book "All That We Can Be," said they analyzed the claim that blacks were used like cannon fodder during Vietnam "and can report definitely that this charge is untrue. Black fatalities amounted to 12 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia, a figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. population at the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army at the close of the war." Myth:
Common belief is that the war was fought largely by the poor and
uneducated. Fact: Servicemen
who went to Vietnam from well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk
of dying because they were more likely to be pilots or infantry
officers. Vietnam Veterans were the best educated
forces our nation had ever sent into combat. 79% had a high school
education or better. Here are statistics from the Combat Area Casualty
File (CACF) as of November 1993. The CACF is the basis for the
Vietnam Veterans Memorial (The Wall): Average age of 58,148 killed in
Vietnam was 23.11 years. (Although 58,169 names are in the Nov. 93
database, only 58,148 have both event date and birth date. Event date
is used instead of declared dead date for some of those who were listed
as missing in action).Deaths Average Age - Total: 58,148, 23.11 years Enlisted: 50,274, 22.37 years Officers: 6,598, 28.43 years Warrants: 1,276, 24.73 years E1 525, 20.34 years 11B MOS: 18,465, 22.55 years. Myth:
The common belief is the average age of an infantryman
fighting in Vietnam was 19. Fact:: Assuming
KIAs accurately represented age groups serving in Vietnam, the average
age of an infantryman (MOS 11B) serving in Vietnam to be 19 years old
is a myth, it is actually 22. None of the enlisted grades have an
average age of less than 20. The average man who fought in World War II
was 26 years of age.
Myth:
The Common belief is that the domino theory was proved
false. Fact: The domino theory
was accurate. The ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian
Nations) countries, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and
Thailand stayed free of Communism because of the U.S. commitment to
Vietnam. The Indonesians threw the Soviets out in 1966 because of
America's commitment in Vietnam. Without that commitment,
Communism would have swept all
the way to the Malacca Straits that is south of Singapore and of great
strategic importance to the free world. If you ask people who live in
these countries that won the war in Vietnam, they have a different
opinion from the American news media. The Vietnam War was the turning
point for Communism.
Myth:
The common belief is that the fighting in Vietnam was not as intense as
in World War II. Fact: The
average infantryman in the South Pacific during World War II saw about
40 days of combat in four years. The average infantryman in Vietnam saw
about 240 days of combat in one year thanks to the mobility of the
helicopter. One out of every 10 Americans who served in Vietnam was a
casualty. 58,148 were killed and 304,000 wounded out of 2.7 million who
served. Although the percent that died is similar to other wars,
amputations or crippling wounds were 300 percent higher than in World
War II ....75,000 Vietnam veterans are severely disabled. MEDEVAC
helicopters flew nearly 500,000 missions. Over 900,000 patients were
airlifted (nearly half were American). The average time lapse between
wounding to hospitalization was less than one hour. As a result, less
than one percent of all Americans wounded, who survived the first 24
hours, died. The helicopter provided unprecedented mobility. Without
the helicopter it would have taken three times as many troops to secure
the 800 mile border with Cambodia and Laos (the politicians thought the
Geneva Conventions of 1954 and the Geneva Accords or 1962 would secure
the border).
Myth:
Kim Phuc, the little nine year old Vietnamese girl running naked from
the napalm strike near Trang Bang on 8 June 1972.....shown a million
times on American television....was burned by Americans bombing Trang
Bang. Fact: No American had
involvement in this incident near Trang Bang that burned Phan Thi Kim
Phuc. The planes doing the bombing near the village were VNAF (Vietnam
Air Force) and were being flown by Vietnamese pilots in support of
South Vietnamese troops on the ground. The Vietnamese pilot who dropped
the napalm in error is currently living in the United States. Even the
AP photographer, Nick Ut, who took the picture, was Vietnamese. The
incident in the photo took place on the second day of a three day
battle between the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) who occupied the village
of Trang Bang and the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam) who were
trying to force the NVA out of the village. Recent reports in the news
media that an American commander ordered the air strike that burned Kim
Phuc are incorrect. There were no Americans involved in any capacity.
"We (Americans) had nothing to do with controlling VNAF," according to
Lieutenant General (Ret) James F. Hollingsworth, the Commanding General
of TRAC at that time. Also, it has been incorrectly reported that two
of Kim Phuc's brothers were killed in this incident. They were Kim's
cousins not her brothers.
Myth:
The United States lost the war in Vietnam. Fact: The American military was not
defeated in Vietnam. The American military did not lose a battle of any
consequence. From a military standpoint, it was almost an unprecedented
performance. General Westmoreland quoting Douglas Pike, a professor at
the University of California, Berkley a major military defeat for the
VC and NVA.
THE
UNITED STATES DID NOT LOSE THE WAR IN VIETNAM, THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE DID.
Read on........
The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam. The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973. How could we lose a war we had already stopped fighting? We fought to an agreed stalemate. The peace settlement was signed in Paris on 27 January 1973. It called for
release of all U.S. prisoners, withdrawal of U.S. forces, limitation of
both sides' forces inside South Vietnam and a commitment to peaceful
reunification. The 140,000 evacuees in April 1975 during the fall of
Saigon consisted almost entirely of civilians and Vietnamese military,
NOT American military running for their lives. There were almost twice
as many casualties in Southeast Asia (primarily Cambodia) the first two
years after the fall of Saigon in 1975 then there were during the ten
years the U.S. was involved in Vietnam. Thanks for the perceived loss
and the countless assassinations and torture visited upon Vietnamese,
Laotians, and Cambodians goes mainly to the American media and their
undying
support-by-misrepresentation of the anti-War movement in the United
States.
As with much of the Vietnam War,
the news media misreported and misinterpreted the 1968 Tet Offensive.
It was reported as an overwhelming success for the Communist forces and
a decided defeat for the U.S. forces. Nothing could be further from the
truth. Despite initial victories by the Communists forces, the Tet
Offensive resulted in a major defeat of those forces. General Vo Nguyen
Giap, the designer of the Tet Offensive, is considered by some as
ranking with Wellington, Grant, Lee and MacArthur as a great commander.
Still, militarily, the Tet Offensive was a total defeat of the
Communist forces on all fronts. It resulted in the death of some 45,000
NVA troops and the complete, if not total destruction of the Viet Cong
elements in South Vietnam. The Organization of the Viet Cong Units in
the South never recovered. The Tet Offensive succeeded on only one
front and that was the News front and the political arena. This was
another example in the Vietnam War of an inaccuracy becoming the
perceived truth. However, inaccurately reported, the News Media made
the Tet Offensive famous.
Please
give all credit and research to:Capt. Marshal Hanson, U.S.N.R (Ret.) Capt. Scott Beaton, Statistical Source |